Had a chat with Aaron Meyers on the CX Podcast from Ishmael Interactive about subversive thinking and public sector modernization. Aaron's going to return the favor as a guest on the Functional Government podcast, talking about his work to streamline Regulation.gov—and the weaponization of democratic forums by special interests.

JEE and government with Ishmael Interactive

How can subversive thinking and systems awareness help public servants change outdated thinking and legacy processes? A chat on the CX podcast.